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Ariko Gunaris
Office of Ganking and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.06.17 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 17/06/2008 18:02:02 CCP's mechanic of not allowing alliances to participate in FW is having consequences. I lay no judgment on these consequences -- whether they are good or bad is a matter of perspective.
Simply, PvP alliances that do not take the 'pirate in empire' route are dieing. There is absolutely no growth in the numbers of the top 30 or so alliance rankings since FW was introduced. Moreover, some PvP alliances are now bleeding members and alts into FW.
The reasons are simple: 1 Casual pvp on demand, with plenty of newbies to kill. This is especially true if one is in the Minmatar or Gallente factions and can kill the bloated Caldari faction. 2 PvP free of capital ship blobs, Titans, doomsdays, motherships and other such nonsense 3 PvP free of hidden blobs, such as from jump bridges 4 lack of bubbles, so a lower risk of podding -- you are more able to more freely use implant sets such as snakes or slaves 5 Ease of resupply in empire
It is almost certain empire alliances like Privateers are going to be no more -- although the corporations and members themselves will probably stay together under a faction, the alliance itself will die.
Similarly, many more 0.0 alliances' member who PvP frequently will find themselves gravitating towards factional warfare, either through alts or mains. Alliances like CVA, Pandemic Legion, and Goonswarm are also going to feel pain.
The only use of 0.0 will be for ISK and the PvP that will occur will be the infrequent fights that result over stations and moons. The infrequent nature 0.0 PvP will mean that more and more PvP minded pilots will join FW -- this development will only feed itself until theres not many actual PvP characters left.
Alliances will collapse. Holding alliances will be formed, with most actual players in FW corps. The only alliances that will survive this are carebear types whose goal is something other than PvP.
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Ariko Gunaris
Office of Ganking and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.06.17 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim Five words:
Promethium. Dysprosium. Supply. Demand. Escalation.
Infrequent fights over the span of days that will usually result in capital blobbage. I don't think greed alone will keep things alive.
Oh, and to the poster that mentioned BoB: no, BoB will survive this .
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Ariko Gunaris
Office of Ganking and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.06.17 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 17/06/2008 18:24:44
Originally by: Patch86 FW is CounterStrike- cheap, fun, instant and meaningless.
Alliance warfare is Civilization- empire building, diplomacy, large scale strategy, with added pew pew and multiplayer fun.
What you say is very true, but look at the popularity of Counterstrike versus Civilization. Look at the rapid growth of militias since the release -- they have more players now than BoB and Goonswarm combined.
If an alliance like 'paper tiger' Triumvirate were alive today, would they survive FW? I think not.
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Ariko Gunaris
Office of Ganking and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.06.17 19:20:00 -
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I'm going to have to agree with Butter Dog *shudder*
It's all about options -- in a factional warfare corp, you can practically do whatever you want in 0.0 short of claiming stations -- but you can easily do with with alt holding alliances.
Being in a real alliance, you can't take a full part in factional warfare and are limited in ways which you can take part. Factional warfare is already the PvP center of Eve right now in terms of numbers of ships blown up, and that's just one week after the release.
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Ariko Gunaris
Office of Ganking and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.06.17 20:21:00 -
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I'll pose the question in a different way:
If you were a leader of a PvP alliance and saw many of your members/alts leaving for FW, what should you do, if anything?
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Ariko Gunaris
Office of Ganking and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.06.18 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 18/06/2008 16:32:23 Moderately skilled corps in factional warfare are already generating a lot of whining in Eve general discussion by low skill/newer players.
There are also reports on crapheap challenged about a smallish corp getting 1000 kills in 3 days.
And looking at the map for ships destroyed, factional warfare/low-sec is the hottest thing going on in terms of PvP.
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Ariko Gunaris
Office of Ganking and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.06.18 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 18/06/2008 23:02:37 Another major boon for FW is that it's PvP without killmails, essentially, unless you function as one corp/solo without involving other people in your faction.
k/d ratio hoarding, etc... is optional to success.
Major alliances I expect to die/become holding alliances because of FW bleeding within the next 6 months:
Goons PL AAA Cruel Intentions Privateers CVA Daisho ATF Smashkill
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Ariko Gunaris
Office of Ganking and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.06.20 03:17:00 -
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No, CVA will be losers in this.
They have already lost 20 members since the start of this topic.
Moreover, the top 20 alliances by rankings have lost a combined count of approximately 1400 members since the start of this topic.
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Ariko Gunaris
Office of Ganking and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.06.21 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 21/06/2008 20:08:10 Valuable moons are not limited to 0.0, they are found in low-sec as well.
And no, level 4 missions in empire with a good agent and CNR are usually better than ratting in 0.0 in terms of ISK/hour.
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Ariko Gunaris
Office of Ganking and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.06.23 02:05:00 -
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Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 23/06/2008 02:05:19
Originally by: Swamp Ziro Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 22/06/2008 14:57:59 CEO: Guys we need to kill x and y for x and y reasons.
RRARARA EGOTISTICAL CAPITALISTS LINING THEIR POCKETS WITH THE WORK OF THE MEMBERSHIP RARARAR
CCP: Guys you should go kill x and y for.... uh... hi :)
AWESOME PVP HIGH FUN LOW RISK NO SUGAR PEPSI MAX I AM THE HUNTER OF THE WOLFPACK
POS warfare in infrequent compared to FW. POS timers, etc are of the order of days. Waypost timers are on the order of minutes. The two are nothing alike which is why thousands of players are abandoning their PvP corps and alliances for FW.
Every single alliance in the top 10 now has seen a significant decline in membership.
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Ariko Gunaris
Office of Ganking and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.06.25 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 25/06/2008 17:57:00
Originally by: Tobias Lee what will happen is loads of bob goon alts etc in fw if one of those alliances gets attacked in 0.0 expect to see a huge drop in current faction pilots online as they log mains in to defend space.
Many people are not only moving alts into FW, but mains too.
Why would they go back? Defending space usually means huge capital blobs with boring waiting periods and stupid amounts of unfun lag.
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